| Sumario: | The article presents a conversation with educationists Seymour Papert, Marvin Minsky and Alan Kay on educational reform, artificial intelligence, computer science and human-computer interaction. The importance of the computer is how you learn mathematics, and how it allows children to think about powerful ideas in mathematics. Children are capable of learning plenty more mathematics than anyone gives them credit for with or without a computer. The most important thing in learning is copying how other people think. The way to learn something hard is by getting new ideas. Programming is the most powerful medium of developing the sophisticated and rigorous thinking needed for mathematics, for grammar, for physics, for statistics, and all the hard subjects. Programming should be a key part of the intellectual development of people growing up. The idea of programming itself is something in evolution so it will not mean exactly what it is thought to mean.
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